Comments on: Final thoughts on Bosnian pyramid

By: sine

sine — Tue, 06 May 2008 13:52:14 +0000

Anyone who still doubt the bosnian pyramid,go there yourself and see it with your own eyes.

By: jimbob

jimbob — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:56:16 +0000

It’s funny that it would even be considered a matter of Bosnian pride, because it’s obvious the pyramid, if it exists, was certainly not built by any people that could be called “Bosnians” in any possible sense. Not like the Egyptians, who can claim to descend from the people who built the pyramids.

I can see bulldozing the hill, because it’s unlikely whatever archeaology exists there is going to be properly excavated any time soon, and the claim of a pyramid needs evidence. If the evidence is found, then proper excavation would begin. Certainly some artifacts would be lost, but so many would be found…

By: Alex

Alex — Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:47:26 +0000

In reply to Ronnie Gallagher: I could be wrong, but in reply to your comment about the orientation of the pyramids, Thuban was pretty much dead on North 5000 years ago. At most it was only a degree or two off, and the slight misalignment of a building aligned using it would probably not be visible to the naked eye. Your point about checking these things is thoroughly valid, though, as by 1800 BC it was way off the pole.

By: billy the kid

billy the kid — Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:34:50 +0000

Its typical for the serbian idiots to copy Bosnia..Not only are they jealous that Bosnia never wanted to be Serbian,now they want to go around and search of their own pyramid..Its really funny..They are just jealous of bosnians..Not mainly people care about serbia in last 10 years..because most of the lie and distort the truth about the war..They should accept that the war started because of them!!

By: Alun

Alun — Mon, 09 Apr 2007 09:02:46 +0000

A very good example as “The Great Global Warming Swindle” is another tale which has been shown to be nonsense.

Evidence is a problem too. Or rather the lack of evidence when people hurl accusations of corruption without a shred of evidence to back them up. For instance, Risto, would it be reasonable for me to point out that you’re on commission to sell trips to Bosnia? We both know that’s something I’ve made up. I don’t have any proof at all, but can you prove me wrong? If you can’t is it acceptable to say that you could make a lot of money by persuading people a hill is a pyramid?

In my case there might be a financial interest. I’ll be looking for a job soon. My MPhil was on World Prehistory with a specialisation in South-East Europe. My PhD will be on archaeoastronomy. If this were a real pyramid I’d be in huge demand, because there would be other pyramids in the Balkans to study. Unfortunately if you read the other pyramid posts, there’s a lot of evidence there isn’t.

By: risto

risto — Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:20:25 +0000

Ego is the problem, ego of great scientists; & money of course. Unfortunately.

There are many cases like this - same for climate change:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4340135300469846467

By: Josh

Josh — Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:34:52 +0000

This is an extremely interesting and perhaps equally important story. If nothing else, it shows how little we know about the ancient past and that of this region in particular. See http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4443738390504296376&hl=en for some video of a large network of tunnels they are currently excavating. Unless this is an elaborate hoax, there was definitely some significant construction at this site for which there is no surviving historical record; and the hills/structures are shaped and positioned in the same very unlikely/unusual way as Egyptian pyramids. We’ve all seen that image from Mars of what seems to be a monument with what looks like a face, but in this case we have much better images and there are three such structures/hills situated exactly like some of the pyramids in Egypt. Admittedly this region of Bosnia has a lot of geometrically shaped hills, so perhaps there is some mix of the man-made and naturally occurring or perhaps it is even entirely natural, but it is definitely worth investigating. The bottom line is the experts are being very stubborn and completely myopic (a little knowledge is a dangerous thing but sometimes a lot of knowledge is even more dangerous). Their argument is that there is no supporting evidence to prove the date of the stones/structures that have been uncovered and no POSSIBILITY that an ancient civilization ever lived in that region capable of building such large structures (the logic being that if there was such a civilization we would have already found artifacts, even though they admit to knowing next to nothing about the region’s ancient civilizations such as the Illyrians). The question is simply whether there is a pyramid there (because if there is then there must have been a LOST civilization capable of building it) or just some unknown man-made structures added to a set of very unusual naturally occurring hills (although that could still be very historically significant). So far there has been no conclusive evidence presented either way, but the experts are not going to help answer that question because they are sure they already know the answer and/or because they are afraid of damaging their reputations by being associated with a hoax or even an honest mistake. Osmanagić’s background and his reportedly fraudulent and mistaken claims and statements don’t help, but his background has provided the motivation for his undertaking, and the lack of expert involvement may explain the erroneous statements. He is a businessman and believer in a link between the pyramids of Eqypt and Latin America, Atlantis, and of course the alien visitors that tie everything together. He is most likely wrong about a lot of his beliefs and he may be partly motivated by profit, but again the question is simply whether there is a pyramid there, not whether it was built by or for aliens or whether it proves a link with other regions with similar pyramids. The far more likely explanation for the ubiquity of pyramids and certain religious beliefs (among other things) is that people traveled much farther and more frequently throughout history for trade routes than we previously believed (some people, including a lot of experts, would disagree but recent evidence from China and other locations strongly supports this idea), and that pyramids are the most obvious structure to build with limited technology. The fact is that civilizations around the world built pyramids (including but not limited to Egypt, Central America, South America, China, Rome, England, Spain, France, Africa, and the Ukraine) throughout ancient history, so it would come as no surprise if some lost civilization in this region did the same a little earlier than the biggest (non-Chinese?) ones, on a slightly bigger scale than the biggest (non-Chinese?) ones, or in a unique way (probably dictated by their natural landscape). So I am disregarding the “experts” and eagerly waiting to see if Osmanagić can prove his case. It seems like it should be an easy question to answer but according to Osmanagić it may take several years. If the experts are in fact wrong they will all be very embarrassed and, more importantly, Europe will take it’s rightful place as home of one of the world’s first real civilizations. Otherwise, perhaps Osmanagić is damaging an important historical site (which could be a pretty bad thing but wouldn’t be entirely his fault) but at least he’s doing something to answer a question that has been asked by people in that region for a very long time. -Josh

By: Vlad

Vlad — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:35:20 +0000

So many jealous hearts. Indigenous Bosnia is what you people are afraid of. And if all of you are so good with hoax and lies why dont you talk about 911, since its what raped all of your souls. Thats why you feel the way you feel about others pople. Ignorance!

By: Bosnian Pyramid

Bosnian Pyramid — Fri, 03 Nov 2006 21:46:06 +0000

Someone wrote that bosnians are now one mind, and noone looks at other interests. I have to say that nothing more can connect those nations. Osmanagic is a atheist and so is he claiming a hill to be a pyramid. The time will show that this author was in right.

By: Robert

Robert — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:59:24 +0000

No amount of whining or bitching about any person’s analysis is going to make the empirical facts on the ground go away. It’s an 800 lb in the living room. The bloody thing looks like a pyramid and it should not be a hard thing to see how it’s put together and with what. If it is found that this structure was the result of deliberate human action then the academic archeological crowd look stupid.